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5 years ago
Snowpines Week Day 7 - Confessions
Snowpines Week Day 7 - Confessions
Snowpines Week Day 7 - Confessions
Snowpines Week Day 7 - Confessions
Snowpines Week Day 7 - Confessions
Snowpines Week Day 7 - Confessions

Snowpines week Day 7 - Confessions

Ending on a smorch :’) 

Dang. As time went on I just kept expanding that height difference

Thank you everyone for all the love!!! This has been fun! 

@snowpinesweek


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5 years ago
Snowpines Week Day 2- Aged Up

snowpines week day 2- aged up

tECHNICALLY i’m drawing these all a year into the future anyway so. here’s the boys having a rest now that the war’s finally over feat. supportive big sis ruby and unsure big sis weiss

note: everything i draw for this ship should be considered as taking place a year into rwby’s future, under the assumption that oscar and ozpin are separate beings by that point


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6 months ago

Hello again! I really liked your answer to my questions, I've read this post about 6 times already! (I really love it) So I want to ask you, what do you think will happen if Oscar drinks tea from the Ever After? I just really hope that in RWBY beyond episode 3 Oscar and Ruby came at the end to separate Oscar and Ozpin (not the soul in half, just stop the merge, but Oscar and Ozpin are still connected) and what do you think will happen after Oscar drinks tea and he and Oz return to the Vacuo?

sorry if here any mistakes I just used translato

Hi! Nice to hear from you again, and I'm glad you liked it. Now, this is a very interesting and very complicated question you've offered me. I like it. I'm gonna put it under the cut, because this... is going to take a while.

From what we've seen in the epilogues, in RWBY Beyond, Oscar is losing more and more of himself. Ozpin's losing himself too. They're losing themselves and each other to the merge and who'll they'll become together. It's stopping being Ozpin's experiences, Ozpin being the subject of fairytales, and starting to be Oscar referring to those past events as his.

If you think about it, the curse, the merge, is kind of like a really twisted, fucked up version of Ascension, where the choice of purpose is completely taken away instead. Ozma was given a task, a role, a purpose, a part to play in the story of the battle between light and dark, and that purpose has been passed on, whether anyone likes it or not. The answer, most often, is not.

In V8, we see Oscar frustrated with Ozpin's return, because he was starting to carve out his own role, figuring out who he wanted to be. That choice is being taken away from him, just like it was taken away from the person Ozpin used to be, taken away from the King of Vale, again and again thousands of years past.

I think a meeting between Oscar, Ozpin, and The Blacksmith would be very, very interesting, particularly in her relationship with the Brothers.

The Blacksmith created them. She said "The Brothers built homes for [the Everafterans], and gave them roles to play". Would she see nothing wrong with the way the Brothers acted, the role they assigned to Ozma and his line? The Blacksmith doesn't seem to be able to know what happens in Remnant, only catching glimpses of it in the humans who fall into the Ever After. The Blacksmith seems to like what she sees, calling humans "Remarkable things [the Brothers] accomplished". What would she think about Oscar and Ozpin?

She seems to value souls, they move through her domain afterall, and she seemed to like it when Ruby asked after "The souls that are moving on to whatever they become next". But the line of Ozma doesn't get to move on when they die. Their souls merge with others, they are subsumed, they are an amalgamation, they are something that has never been before, they are not something they want to be. Would the Blacksmith be mad at the Brothers for what has been done to dozens of hundreds of innocent souls? She doesn't seem capable of condemnation, that is not her purpose, but would empathy be shown for the line of Ozma, including ones past?

The Blacksmith does feel emotions, she's not a robot, she's glad to see Jaune, she finds joy in creating, the "not knowing". Would she find Oscar and Oz a fascinating creation? Or would she be dismayed at how little there is to know, how little choice there is. Everafterans die, and choose what to become next through Ascension. Oz dies, doesn't choose where he goes, doesn't choose where they become, doesn't choose a purpose that can we even really say is his anymore? When they've become so many people, does Ozma's original choice really belong to them anymore?

As always with the line of Ozma, it is a question of choice, identity, and free will.

How The Blacksmith would feel about it, act about it, think about it, is a very interesting question. But there is the question of if she can do anything about it.

Yes, The Tree/Blacksmith made the Brothers, and the Brothers made humans, and the Blacksmith obviously has influence over the humans who do end up in her domain. Would that be enough to supercede the curse? The will of the Brother of Light? The purpose he gave Ozma and every single soul who came after? It'd be interesting if The Blacksmith couldn't. If the Brother's intercession would be necessary to fix what they broke, what they started. But that's not the question here!

Enough hypotheticals, it's time to get down to it. In this scenario, we'll go with Oscar and Oz being over halfway merged, probably a lot merged by this point, but still two distinct entities in their own right. The Blacksmith, whatever her feelings about it, can help, allowing Oscar and Oz to choose their purpose and who they'll become.

I've seen in the fandom a lot that a turning point for Oscar would be/will be when he gets his own weapon. Weapons are so important in RWBY, Oscar being able to choose what weapon he gets, the name, the meaning behind it rather than one he inherits is so important. That carries over easily to the Blacksmith and the choices/weapons she presents.

Choosing to be yourself is a legitimate option when it comes to The Blacksmith! Oscar would definitely choose to be himself, that's without question, even if he's not sure who that himself is, he's willing to make it. I think that would best go down if instead of choosing one of the weapons The Blacksmith presents or choosing Long Memory, Oscar makes his own. I personally think it would be very cool if The Blacksmith let Oscar use her forge to make his own weapon, make his own self, make who he chooses to be.

I think that extra effort to physically make his own weapon would also be important. There's a lot more weight there, the weight of a purpose assigned, the weight of so, so many souls behind him, clinging to him. I think in that moment, Oscar would be straining to go forward and, like all parents, Ozpin would have to make the choice to let go. Let Oscar move forward into the unknown instead of the path laid before them, let go even though it's hard, even though it's scary, because letting children choose their own paths and who they are is very, very important.

Oscar being able to literally forge his own identity, his own path, would be both symbolically appropriate and also very cool.

Now, we also have to consider what would happen to Oz. Both Ozpin and the entire line before him, whatever small, pedantic difference there may be. I think it's too late to let the previous souls go. They're merged, and there's no separating them. They're gone. They're here but they're gone. There's only Ozpin left. But what that would mean, well, that's up to Ozpin. He'd have to make his own choice on who he is, who he becomes, what his purpose is.

I... don't think he'd choose to be himself. I think he'd be so, so tired of the purpose he was assigned. I think he'd like to make his own decision, and I think he'd choose to be someone else. Let the line of Ozma end, expire, be no more. He would choose to be someone else. The Blacksmith said, "Choose for yourself one who can leave your burdens behind or choose one who would be enough to bear them". This is what she said to Ruby, so it's not entirely applicable, but the sentiment is there.

I think Ozpin would choose to be someone else. Someone who isn't so embittered by betrayl that they can still trust. Someone who can see the best in people, who can continue to reach out. Someone who doesn't give up, doesn't run away. Oscar showed him someone better to be, tried to push him to be that person. And now he can take that final step, and become someone else with a far better purpose than had been handed down to him by the Brothers.

He can become someone kind.

That is who he wants to be. Kind enough to reach out, kind enough to trust, kind enough to stay even when he's afraid, kind enough to reach out like Oscar did to Emerald, kind enough to fix a broken heart like in Hazel and perhaps... even like in Salem.

Oscar and Ozpin would return to Vacuo together, Oscar the most himself he's ever been, and Ozpin happy to be someone else entirely, but no matter what, they'd stick together.

I think that would be a good way for it to go.


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6 months ago

Hi Lira! Good to see you here. Do you have any Ozpin Lives Au headcanons? And do you have any Oscar&Ozpin vol.4 headcanons?

Hey! I was pretty excited to see you on here too, if the spam liking your posts wasn't any indication, lol. And oh boy do I have a lot to say, I'm just gonna put it under the cut.

Okay. So. For Ozpin Lives AUs. There's so many ways to go about it. I'm a fan of Ozpin Lives but with Consequences of the Soul kind, because how else are you supposed to tie in our favourite farm boy? Whether this is some kind of half baked merge, or a kind of platonic soulmates, or just a Connection, Ozpin deserves a chance to actually parent the kid the universe randomly assigned to him.

I imagine he'd be very tactile, hands on shoulders, hair ruffles, holding hands, helping Oscar learn to fight, the whole nine yards.

And I imagine Oscar would, at some point, start to reciprocate. Initiating hugs, poking Ozpin, gently kicking Ozpin when Oscar thinks he's being stupid (Oscar should get to kick Ozpin in the shin at least once, he deserves it).

What's the point in being shy about physical contact when their very souls are intertwined?

Now in Haven, I feel like Qrow would be baffled by the presence of Oscar but more releived and focused on the fact that Ozpin's alive. Oscar has an easier time making friends with RNJR when he doesn't have their dead Headmaster in his head and constantly hovering over his shoulders. Though, I do think in contrast, Yang will be more aggressive with Ozpin since he's physically there and doesn't have Oscar as a kind of buffer between them.

In the Haven fight, Oscar would still be the one to fight Lionheart, because Ozpin will be very occupied with Hazel trying to beat his head in. I think there could be a sweet moment in there where Oscar covers for Ozpin there. Ozpin protests that this is his fight, but Oscar replies that they're supposed to be a team aren't they? And that means no one has to face anything alone! Hazel, of course, would get even more pissed off at what he sees as another child trying to fight Ozpin's battles so the moment is quickly broken up.

Now, when it comes to Jinn... it's hard to say. RWBYQ will definitely know that Ozpin's hiding things from them, but how would they get the Lamp's password without Oscar giving it to them? And without Oscar in Ozpin's head and vice versa, how would they even get there? I don't think it makes sense for them to get the Lamp's password, though I definitely think they'll be frosty with Ozpin because they know he's hiding things from them, they just can't tell how much.

Now the Apathy, however... oh boy. With all of Ozpin's repressed trauma I expect he'd be taken the fuck out. Could probably fit in a reveal in there, with the Apathy impacting Ozpin's ability to see the point of hiding his secrets since Salem's unkillable anyways, and they never did technically get a divorce and killing your spouse is frowned on though that hasn't stopped her yet and wow he's so useless at protecting people, all of his children have died, he's so sorry to Oscar for bringing him into this, he's just getting another one of his kids killed-.

Yeah. I. I really don't think Ozpin and the Apathy would get along.

(I know you asked for Ozpin Lives AU headcanons but you're getting an entire AU, whoops.)

Jaune definitely punches Ozpin in the face in Argus. No argument there. I do feel like Oscar would still go off on his own to go shopping and also have some time alone to reflect. What does he really want out of this? He's just another one of Ozpin's kids, how much does he really matter? He's not a Huntsman either, he's the youngest of everyone, just a kid, is he a burden? In the end, I feel like Oscar would come to the conclusion that he's not stuck here, but he wants to be here. He wants to do more, he wants to help, he wants to fight. It might have felt like he was just getting dragged along from his Aunt's farm but now... Now it's his choice. And he chooses to fight. He chooses to save lives. He chooses to stay. He chooses Ozpin.

Ozpin, meanwhile, is freaking the fuck out over where his kid went. Everyone's kind of shocked to see how much their perpetually in control Headmaster is panicking, meanwhile Ozpin's in the corner catastrophizing because oh no, what if he's been kidnapped what if he tried to go home but then got kidnapped what if there was a Grimm attack what if he's dead-.

Yeah. Panicking. Ozpin hugs the life out of Oscar when they see each other again (codependency says what) and doesn't even bother trying to play it off. Cue heartfelt speech of how though he may seem implaceable, he deeply cares for people. He cares for his friends, his students, his kids. He thought the best way to keep people safe, keep his friends safe, was to seem invincible, and the only way to do that was to keep everyone at arms length. But looking at everyone, they find strength in their closeness, and not letting people know how much they mean to him seems to only have been hurting them in the long run. Cue promises to do his best and to try to trust other people more. Oscar's still grounded for the heart attack he gave Ozpin (hey!).

The Cordovan issue is not automatically fixed. Ozpin lost his scroll and by extension his ID when Beacon fell. Cordovan thinks there's no way this burn scarred ragamuffin is the former Headmaster of Beacon Academy, fraud is a crime you know! They still steal an airship. Oscar gets to commit a felony. As a treat.

Now Atlas is... hmm, a toss up based on how you characterize Ironwood. I believe he has the potential to make the right decisions, to be a good person, but he also very much obviously has the capacity to make terrible decisions and be a bastard. Would having Ozpin there fix that? Fuck if I know! Still won't stop Salem from showing up.

Now, for funsies, I think Ozpin should be the one getting kidnapped by the Hound. Let him be a Damsel in Distress, it'll be fun. Oscar should get to go rescue his father figure, it'll be enriching. Bonding time in the evil whale!

That's as far as I've got for Ozpin Lives AU (headcanons, I wrote so much, this was just supposed to be headcanons, ahhh-). Now for Oscar and Ozpin volume 4 headcanons!

In the show Oscar seems to spend most of the time ignoring Ozpin where he can, so it'd be up to Ozpin to fill the silence. I think Ozpin tells stories about people he once knew, about heroes. Teams at Beacon when he was a Headmaster, teams when he was a student, the people that were the basis for fairytales and ones that have been forgotten to time.

Oscar ignores the fact that he can picture the faces of every single person his hallucination talks about. Though the stories are nice.

But less nice stories would be the nightmares. Oscar definitely has nightmares of Beacon's Fall, Ozpin's death, past deaths as well. He has hardly gotten a single good night's rest since Ozpin showed up in his head.

I think more than just breathing exercises and talking Oscar through his panic, I think it'd be cool if Ozpin taught Oscar how Huntsmen check themselves for wounds. Adrenaline can numb pain, and Aura could be actively healing the wounds too, but that doesn't mean they aren't there. It's both educational and grounding, allowing Oscar to root himself in his body and not in the body of the person who he just remembered (lived) dying.

Ozpin tries to hide it but he feels very guilty for these nightmares. He knows they come from him.

Immediately after these nightmares is the most Oscar's willing to engage with Ozpin at the beginning, before Oscar accepts that this is happening, that it's real.

As you can see I have a lot of thoughts about this. Thank you for the ask! ✨️❤️🧡💛💚💙💜✨️


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3 years ago
The Two Who Stayed Behind To Fight

The two who stayed behind to fight

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1 year ago

With his trinkets, oscar makes a replica of the lamp. Problem is, he doesn’t remember which one is the real one until someone takes it and it get bigger.

Kleptomaniac Oscar

Oscar is a kleptomaniac. He doesn’t notice when he does it. His aunt compensated this by getting beads, pretty stones, and other small things. He learned how to do crafts with small items and he sells them next to his aunt’s stall on market days.

This makes life interesting when he joins RNJR+Q at Haven. Lots of little things go missing, dust, scrolls, lien. When they go looking for them and ask Oscar to help them look he looks confused until they start describing small things. Then to their confusion he starts patting himself down. He pulls more out of his pockets than they’d realized was missing, including Qrow’s flask. He apologizes and explains what his aunt had done and asks them to keep an eye on him because he doesn’t mean to steal anything, he really just can’t help it.

Nora thinks it’s hilarious and likes to take him on walks near prejudiced people. Ren helps Oscar return most of the things he takes. Jaune and Ruby (and later Yang, Blake and Weiss) get small trinkets (of various price and durability) to leave around for him. The first time he empties his pockets to find fistfulls of dust flakes and painted nuts and bolts he freaks out and tries to return them. Yang just laughs and asks his favorite color and Weiss hands him a bunch of containers for safely holding small amounts of dust and proceeds to teach him about dust. In great detail. He also finds an odd amount of glitter packets and weird not quite gem things. Jaune teaches him about sequins. Blake, after seeing him look at his assortment of oddities, leaves spools of thread and lengths of yarn. An unusual amount of cloth scraps find their way around that no one will admit to. (Qrow). There’s also still beads.

Soon enough, small treasures are found around the house: patchwork kerchiefs with initials beaded into corners, glittery cloth bookmarks, bracelets and necklaces with beads and nuts and bolts, sequined wrist and ankle bands.


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1 year ago

Kleptomaniac Oscar

Oscar is a kleptomaniac. He doesn’t notice when he does it. His aunt compensated this by getting beads, pretty stones, and other small things. He learned how to do crafts with small items and he sells them next to his aunt’s stall on market days.

This makes life interesting when he joins RNJR+Q at Haven. Lots of little things go missing, dust, scrolls, lien. When they go looking for them and ask Oscar to help them look he looks confused until they start describing small things. Then to their confusion he starts patting himself down. He pulls more out of his pockets than they’d realized was missing, including Qrow’s flask. He apologizes and explains what his aunt had done and asks them to keep an eye on him because he doesn’t mean to steal anything, he really just can’t help it.

Nora thinks it’s hilarious and likes to take him on walks near prejudiced people. Ren helps Oscar return most of the things he takes. Jaune and Ruby (and later Yang, Blake and Weiss) get small trinkets (of various price and durability) to leave around for him. The first time he empties his pockets to find fistfulls of dust flakes and painted nuts and bolts he freaks out and tries to return them. Yang just laughs and asks his favorite color and Weiss hands him a bunch of containers for safely holding small amounts of dust and proceeds to teach him about dust. In great detail. He also finds an odd amount of glitter packets and weird not quite gem things. Jaune teaches him about sequins. Blake, after seeing him look at his assortment of oddities, leaves spools of thread and lengths of yarn. An unusual amount of cloth scraps find their way around that no one will admit to. (Qrow). There’s also still beads.

Soon enough, small treasures are found around the house: patchwork kerchiefs with initials beaded into corners, glittery cloth bookmarks, bracelets and necklaces with beads and nuts and bolts, sequined wrist and ankle bands.


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3 months ago

saw a post somewhere about comparing your pet to what/who they're named after........ he doesnt know yet

Saw A Post Somewhere About Comparing Your Pet To What/who They're Named After........ He Doesnt Know
Saw A Post Somewhere About Comparing Your Pet To What/who They're Named After........ He Doesnt Know
Saw A Post Somewhere About Comparing Your Pet To What/who They're Named After........ He Doesnt Know
Saw A Post Somewhere About Comparing Your Pet To What/who They're Named After........ He Doesnt Know

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5 years ago

Yes, I want to talk about rwby

Soooooo new volume!

I might have fallen in love with Winter (again) and there's also all the new characters and penny is back!!!!!! Omg!!!!! I love the way it is going right now (as usual), but that doesn't mean I have no criticism.

Honestly the only thing that I feel really sad about right now is that our faves didn't get a weapon design montage, though I guess there were more pressing matters like introducing new characters, maybe it just didn't fit in? I dunno it's just a bit sad, I would've loved to see Ruby geek out about weapons and new designs and Blake repair hers with gold (we all know the symbolism behind that) but maybe we will in the future.

After chapter 2 I was a bit miffed about how they handled the whole lying to ironwood thing but it got resolved in chapter 3 and now I am just curious how it will play out.

I really hope we get to see Oscar walk through atlas and meeting some new people, or talk to Pietro about the cane maybe. I just want to see more Oscar please.

But yeah, I love RWBY and I love that we finally get to see more and I am hyped! (Also omg the ace ops ahhhhhhhh)

Last thing: is there a RWBY fandom discord channel? If yes, can someone send me the link? If no, would anyone join if I made one?


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1 year ago

i love how the only hand animated parts in this scene are the eyes.... and yet i spent 4 hours compositing everything else together bc i decided i needed 14 LAYERS of various effects

a screenshot of hitfilm express. there is an editing timeline on the bottom, an assets folder to the top left and a viewer showing a single frame of the animation to the top right. the editing timeline shows 18 layers, 4 of which are turned off.

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1 year ago
An Oscar Pine Sketchdump (RWBY Fanart)
An Oscar Pine Sketchdump (RWBY Fanart)
An Oscar Pine Sketchdump (RWBY Fanart)
An Oscar Pine Sketchdump (RWBY Fanart)
An Oscar Pine Sketchdump (RWBY Fanart)
An Oscar Pine Sketchdump (RWBY Fanart)
An Oscar Pine Sketchdump (RWBY Fanart)
An Oscar Pine Sketchdump (RWBY Fanart)
An Oscar Pine Sketchdump (RWBY Fanart)

an Oscar Pine sketchdump (RWBY fanart)


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1 year ago
Oscar Pine Lays Down A Salem Diss Track, Leaves Immortal Witch Shocked And Dismayed At His Based Accusations

Oscar Pine lays down a Salem diss track, leaves immortal witch shocked and dismayed at his based accusations

(+He had some help from Professor Ozpin)


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3 years ago

Here’s some:

SPAM (spearmint)

AMOE (Amore)

JASP (Jasper)

MAPE (Maple)

PEAA (Pea)

SAAP (Sap)

SAMP (Swamp)

Some are better than others, but it’s a start

Oscar Pine

Jaune Arc

Marrow Amin

Emerald Sustrai

I need someone to make a team name for me. Send help.


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4 years ago
*oscar Voice* Why Must I Suffer Like This?

*oscar voice* why must i suffer like this?


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2 years ago

shoutout to RWBY Volume 9 for making me ship both Nuts n Dolts and Rosegarden when neither Penny nor Oscar were even in the volume


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5 years ago

Thoughts on General Ironwood :

I think I know why Ironwood arrested and spared Watts despite everything he one, but when Oscar, a child, has a morally correct opinion Ironwood tried to kill him (breaking his aura and shooting him off Atlas).

Ironwood can profit off of Watts. Watts is a part of Salem’s inner circle, and he’s a genius who managed to take down Atlas like it was nothing, because he’s the reason Atlas is as advanced and secure in Remnant. While Ironwood knows that Salem most likely won’t care about what happens to Watts and he can’t use the man to trade for Atlas’s safety, Watts still has information Ironwood can use.

Oscar, on the other hand, has none of that. While Ironwood could have possibly used Oscar and given him up to Salem, he still wants to defeat Salem. He doesn’t want the Relics in her hands. And Oscar, as one of Ozma’s reincarnations, could gain memories or learn about the other Relics whereabouts. While it’s known that they’re kept in Huntsmen Academies already, he could also learn at some point who the Maidens who can unlock them are. And since the Fall of Beacon, it is unknown where the Relic at Beacon currently is (to us viewers, at least).

Oscar is also a reincarnation. Ironwood’s only use for him was Ozpin, and since Ozpin wasn’t there, Ironwood had no use for Oscar. After all, he would just reincarnate at some point. If there is a merger at all, Ironwood knows that that hasn’t happened, so he probably would have expected Ozpin to reincarnate again, or that Oscar would instead and be sent possibly as far away from Ironwood as possible, separating him from his team and allies and no longer being an immediate threat to Ironwood’s plans.

Oscar offers nothing to aide Ironwood’s cause. Oscar doesn’t believe in the same things Ironwood does, he isn’t loyal to Ironwood and Ironwood only, so the General has no use to keep him around alive and kicking in Atlas.

Ironwood tried to kill him. He knowingly tried to kill a fourteen year old child and, from what it looks like, doesn’t have much remorse in doing so. He’s not a good man. He kept who he could benefit from alive, and those who aren’t loyal to him and his cause are criminals.

Edit : basically ironwood failed his vibe check


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1 year ago

I couldn't find a 3d model for the long memory online, so I made my own, it's not perfect but... I think it's good enough.

I Couldn't Find A 3d Model For The Long Memory Online, So I Made My Own, It's Not Perfect But... I Think

I Couldn't Find A 3d Model For The Long Memory Online, So I Made My Own, It's Not Perfect But... I Think
I Couldn't Find A 3d Model For The Long Memory Online, So I Made My Own, It's Not Perfect But... I Think

Download link for blender:

drive.google.com

It has my shading so it might not work for all.


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1 year ago

RWBY characters as Sonic the Hedgehog characters.

Cause why not? (:

Sonic the hedgehog - Ruby Rose

Blaze the cat - Weiss Schnee

Knuckles the echidna - Yang Xiao Long

Shadow the hedgehog - Blake Belladona

Miles "Tails" Prower - Jaune Arc And Whitley Schnee (Let me explain myself on this one, Jaune could fill the best friend and Sidekick roles and Whitley could fill the Inventor and little brother roles)

Amy Rose - Nora Valkyrie

Silver the hedgehog - Oscar Pine

Espio the chameleon - Lie Ren

Rouge the bat - Neopolitan or Emerald Sustrai

Vector the crocodile - Coco Adel

Dr. Eggman - Arthur Watts

Mephiles the dark - Cinder Fall

These are all I could think of, tell me if you have others I Could add or maybe different ideas. :)


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2 years ago

Oscar Pine (RWBY) as a Wuxia Character

Oscar Pine (RWBY) As A Wuxia Character

By me, open to criticism


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1 year ago

if I had a nickel for every time a silly goofy Latino boy named Oscar had a fantastic chemistry with a chaotic gremlin named Ruby, I would have two nickels. It’s not a lot, but it’s awfully weird that it’s happened twice.


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